Involved


I Try - Macy Gray

On Saturday morning, I took Munchkin to ballet class, and after we went grocery shopping to grab some ingredients for dinner. As we walked around the store we chatted about various topics, and several times (especially in the checkout line) I noticed women watching us and smiling.

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That afternoon, MTM took Munchkin out on some errands, leaving Buddy and I to get loaded, play cards, and hire strippers our own devices. He and I played, and goofed around, and even watched a little tv (Yo Gabba Gabba, for those who want to know - he was only interested in the music, when they were just talking he walked away).

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That night after the kids were in bed, MTM and I were playing a game at the kitchen table (for the first time in forever - seriously, we never do this anymore) when I told her about the grocery store that morning.

"They were just enjoying you being an involved dad."

"Seriously?"

"Not many are."

"Come on. It's not that rare."

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On Sunday morning, I took Munchkin out for breakfast to Chez Ronaldo. We both got Happy Meals. We both got girl toys. I no longer have My Little Pony. sigh

Another dad was there, and we chatted while our kids (his three daughters and Munchkin) played. He seemed like a good guy: he did that (breakfast out with his three girls) regularly so his wife could sleep in.

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Later that morning, MTM took Munchkin to a birthday party while Buddy and I dabbled in crystal meth and read Playboy hung out (well, if your idea of "hanging out" invovles two poopy diapers) and had some lunch.

When MTM and Munchkin got home, the four of us went outside to meet our neighbour's new puppy. While we were outside, MTM remarked that Buddy was stinky, and I chortled, "Hey I did two while you were gone... this one's yours."

Without missing a beat, our (other, non-puppy-owning) neighbour (with two kids of her own who enjoy an involved dad) chimed in, "Well, I'm sure she's changed more than two this week."

A few minutes later, I excused myself, saying that I had to go in and make dinner. The neighbour didn't acknowledge my statement.

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I know I've written about this before (and that post spawned its own sequel, but it's sort of a hot button topic with me, the whole involved dad thing). I mean, it may not be a majority of dads (from my personal experience it is a majority - not necessarily a strong majority - that try their best to be involved) but it is certainly more commonplace than rare.

So then, why is it that a dad who takes his daughter for groceries and chats with her, is met with such a response? Don't misunderstand, I know that the women meant nothing but kindness, but would they have responded the same way if Munchkin were talking with MTM? That's the rub.

Furthermore, since when is parenting a competition? I make no secret of the fact that I change fewer diapers than MTM. Part of it I will admit is because my stomach can't handle really bad smells, but a larger part is that Buddy is at an age where changing him is an Olympic event, and MTM has way more training than I do. Does the fact that I don't wipe poo as often as the parent who stays home with him all day mean that I'm somehow shirking my responsibilities as a father? Really?

What are your thoughts on the above? Why is a dad talking to his daughter in public more interesting than a mom? Also, tell me that my neighbour was out of line (or lie to me if you don't think so).

19 shared their side:

ComfyMom~Stacey said...

I only know one uninvolved dad and even that has changed as his kids get older. He hasn't got the temperament for the under 4 crowd but he is great when they are 8-13 years old. I think it is just one of those stereotypes that is so ingrained the evidence of your own eyes isn't quite enough to change it yet. My DH changed more diapers in the first week of Havoc's life than my dad ever. I don't really think twice about seeing dads with kids in the store.
I think most of my friends, even the ones very involved husbands would have made the comment your neighbor did. I wouldn't have but there were plenty of times I was well down on the diaper changing count so I very rarely make observations like that. I think it's just one of those knee jerk responses. Doesn't make it right, but there wasn't necessarily any subtext behind it.

Bolton said...

The woman was WRONG!!!

You know.. I wondered where that My Little Pony came from. It just showed up one day, like we adopted it or something.

I have yet to be offended at the perceived competition between my wife and I. If anything, it's my wife who gets offended and feels insecure because of what all I choose to do.

AndreAnna said...

Times are changing and some people aren't changing with them. That's all.

There's no competition, no battle.

Be a good dad, a good husband, and good friend, and the rest of the world can suck it.

The end.

Russ said...

I think your neighbor was ribbing you a bit. As to the shopping, having my kids with me while shopping has started more conversations with attractive members of the opposite sex rather frequently. Something about a nurturing father I guess.

Blogging Mama Andrea said...

The neighbor was kind of rude unless you have that sort or relationship with her (a teasing one).

I don't know why people think dads can't be involved parents. If it's media (a lot of it is) then somehow the perception has to change. I don't think I know but one father who's completely incompetent (and doesn't care that he is) when it comes to his kids. Maybe I just hang out with the wrong people to notice the bad fathers?

You probably got looks because somehow isn't as common to see. But when I say that it seems weird. I see plenty of dads and kids.

Laural Dawn said...

I'm guessing the diaper comment was a joke. I'd let it slide.

As for being an involved dad, that's interesting. I go to gymnastics with chloe, and really don't find much of a difference between the involved dads and the involved moms. Though I sometimes find that the majority of the people at weekend activities that are offered for little kids that are also offered in the week tend to be working parents (moms and dads) so we are all enjoying our time and being "involved". And honestly, I really don't think it's any more special if a dad is involved over a mom. Seriously.
I tend to be impressed when either a mom or dad is sitting at a restaurant actually talking with the child.
Maybe that's a whole separate issue.

Multi-tasking Mommy said...

Ok...first of all....

I KNOW that if I asked you to change a diaper you would and I know that many men would just say no. I don't mind changing diapers, I'm a freak that way, so that's why I just do it without complaint.

I think if our neighbour knew you better, she wouldn't have said that to you.

You are a very involved Dad. Our kids are lucky for it and so am I!

BTW, because Munchkin is so articulate for her age, she does gain a lot of attention when we are out (with me too!). I think that's *part* of it.

Faiqa said...

I think people are just averse to letting go of the past. A lot of dads are involved like you, but this is a relatively new phenomenon and people can't seem to get past, well, the past when dad's were involved by being providers not nurturers. (BTW, neither my father nor my father in law EVER changed diapers... EVER. As opposed to my husband who does as much as can).

Your neighbor? I think she was just kidding and probably didn't mean much by it. But, I can understand how the spirit of what she said was irritating. It would be like if MTM had just cleaned the house and she told you that and someone said, "Well, he *paid* for the house..." Sort of the same,you know that I mean. It's a stupid remark is what I'm *trying* to say.

Single Parent Dad said...

Society sucks.

I remember when I was out with my boy and one of my friends with his daughter, and some bloke leaned over to us in a restaurant, and said ;"It's lovely to see two men do their bit." To which I hastily replied "You should come every week then, were hear most of them."

Leanne said...

Comments like that don't come off well these days. Your neighbour probably meant it as a joke, but its a really old joke and it probably wouldn't do them any harm to bring the material up to date. Even crappy mother in law jokes might be an improvement:)

I usually get a lot of attention when I'm out with Chloe, Robert does too but usually he gets sympathy because she really genuinely does have him wrapped around her little finger so she bosses him around in public.

Tony said...

I don't think it's just about being an involved parent, it happens with all "woman" things.

A few years ago my wife and I went to a family party (her side). I had made a couple apple pies and we brought one to the party. Everyone loved the pie, and it didn't last long.

My mother in law's response...."(Wife), great job on the pie".

Steph the WonderWorrier said...

What seems to be a huge driving force in setting stereotypes? THE MEDIA. What TV shows lately show the dad as the "involved, caring one"? Danny Tanner was out, Ray Barone was in (bumbling fools in other words).

I really think this has a lot to do with it. It's not necessarily what is REALLY happening that people are noticing, it's an old stereotype that gets perpetuated by the media, etc.

I know Martin is going to be a very involved dad (he's really good with kids). I'm really glad that that's the type of guy I've chosen to be partners with for my future.

Also, I agree with MTM -- some of those Mom's could have been noticing the way Munchkin was speaking -- your daughter is a RIOT! So smart, really funny, and very chatty. And also, an adorable-looking kid.

I will admit, I definitely smile too when I see an involved dad (even though I should accept it as the norm), but especially when it's Father/Daughter mostly because I have such a close Father/Daughter relationship myself and it takes me right back to my happy childhood, and I love seeing a dad setting his daughter up for that same happy feeling that I've had.

Daddy Geek Boy said...

I agree with some of the statements above that times have changed, but generations of "Man do this, Woman do that" are still in us.

But to your question "since when is parenting a competition?"...I've noticed nothing but competitiveness from other parents all of the time!

I realize, though, that's not quite what you mean here...I don't compete against my wife. I work to make sure that I change my share of poopy diapers, read my share of stories, bathe them, etc.

But hey, I'm awesome like that.

Aunt Becky said...

The Daver is as involved as he can be, and that's awesome. My MIL and my own mother often make snide comments whenever I hand a poopy kid off to Dave to be changed like, "well MY husband never changed a poopy diaper in his LIFE" and I never know how to respond.

So yeah, I get it.

Apok said...

I would totally key that lady's car.

Dads get such a bad rap. Sadly, i know of a lot of dads that perpetuate that stereotype.

Heather @critter chronicles said...

Hate me if you must, but I might have made that comment too. Though I would have said goodbye to you... I'm not RUDE. I think it's a SAHM thing in defense of another SAHM, or at least it would be for me. Not because I thought you were trying to get away with not parenting. For me, I'd have been completely teasing... maybe she was too? If not = BITCH. :-)

Also? As a mom - and a woman - it makes my heart melt when I see men interacting with kids. You get turned on by porn; I get turned on by the sight of men enjoying being in the company of their children. (Also from watching a man do housework.)

OK, not "turned on" in THAT sense, but it makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. And I come from a generation and community where the dads are commonly involved; I had a fully-involved dad myself. So it's not because I'm shocked by that behavior; it's because I love seeing it manifested not just in the privacy of a man's home but extended out for the world to see.

Siera said...

Whenever I see a dad and child solo out and about I smile to myself because my 1st thought is that that dad is involved. Which can't be said for so many fathers.

I think your neighbour may have been a little out of line. If she knew your level of involvement and time invested in your children and knew you a little better maybe she would've thought twice for making that comment.

If I am at home with Aaron all and have changes copious amounts of dirty diapers and he makes another one when epic crap when Eric arrives home I will look at him and say "I've changed X amount of diapers today, this one is for you." By the time he gets home I have seen my fair share of poop for the day. Same goes for him if he has been with him all day and I come home.

creative-type dad said...

That woman was crazy.
Don't let her get to you.

A Free Man said...

I prefer to think that they're checking out the hot daddy with his kids.